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Oculus Spirit [81949]
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Brandon the dictator***
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Re: How will the new mandatory green energy bills affect housing prices?
May 16, 2024, 11:09 AM
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From your 1st link
HUD and USDA estimate that code compliance costs from this rule on average will add approximately $37 to monthly mortgage payments, but save homeowners $80 a month on monthly energy bills, resulting in a yearly savings of $524.
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Oculus Spirit [79708]
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I'm not surprised you believe this
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May 16, 2024, 11:41 AM
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I guess when the new highly flammable HVAC refrigerant burns down some houses those homeowners will save lots on their energy bills. Having to redesign equipment to accommodate said flammable refrigerant always saves the end customer money, too.
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Re: I'm not surprised you believe this
May 16, 2024, 11:59 AM
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Is natural gas, which is flammable, currently used in homes and is supported by you for in home use? Nice try, but weak. 😆
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Oculus Spirit [79708]
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More flammable fluids is always a good thing. Not like freon leaks are common
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May 16, 2024, 12:04 PM
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or anything. You'd also have to be a mouth breathing troglodyte to think these new regulations are going to save anybody money. I wonder how they came up with those savings estimates? Probably somebody with no industry experience crunched some numbers for about 15 minutes and made that determination.
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Gubmint accountants, duh***
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May 16, 2024, 1:17 PM
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Re: More flammable fluids is always a good thing. Not like freon leaks are common
May 16, 2024, 2:48 PM
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Is natural gas a flammable substance that you currently support for in home use?
And lets's see your evidence that the new regulations won't save in energy costs. You got NADA, correct? Do you still have incandescent bulbs stockpiled in your garage? 😆
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Oculus Spirit [79708]
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My evidence is the fact that govt. cost estimates are always wrong and
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May 16, 2024, 3:37 PM
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always end up being way higher than they originally sell them as being. Anyone over the age of 12 should recognize this.
I know there's no point in trying to explain this to you, but you do realize natural gas and the refrigerant in your hvac are running at very different pressures, right? Given that, what do you think is more common...Refrigerant leaks in your hvac, or natural gas leaks? You won't admit it but you know it's refrigerant leaks in your hvac, because it's a very common problem. So I suspect installation guidelines will change, much more stringent pressure testing will be involved, and more equipment necessary to monitor levels, etc. so you don't leak a bunch of this #### out unknowingly and burn your house down. None of which will be offset by any sort of efficiency gains, because there aren't really any to be had by switching to the new stuff.
Also keep in mind govt is forcing the replacement of a refrigerant that is perfectly fine for no other reason other than muh global warming. So it's pointless. But hey if democrats are for it so are you! That's why I'm starting to think you and a couple of others on here are bots.
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Still have some R-22 in the garage. When I heard the estimates to replace the
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May 16, 2024, 10:38 PM
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coil, I decided to do it myself... Saved thousands even after buying the gauges, vacuum pump, expensive R-22, and the $300 coil.
I found that the primary problem with my split systems are the capacitors on the condenser and the ignitors on the gas furnaces. Cheap.
They're both 17 years old and cranking...
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Oculus Spirit [81949]
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With up to a 90 year ROI, no one is saving any money here.
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May 16, 2024, 1:28 PM
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Plus, the $31K cost will just be tacked on to the price of the house.
This nonsense won't help anything...except the companies who are installing this junk, and getting money from the gubmint at 0-1% to loan to customers "at a big savings" of 5-6%, and pocketing the delta.
This whole thing is a terrible idea.
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Re: With up to a 90 year ROI, no one is saving any money here.
May 16, 2024, 2:50 PM
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You have conflicting links.
Again, your first one states
HUD and USDA estimate that code compliance costs from this rule on average will add approximately $37 to monthly mortgage payments, but save homeowners $80 a month on monthly energy bills, resulting in a yearly savings of $524.
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Oculus Spirit [81949]
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I know what the links say.
May 16, 2024, 4:15 PM
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I read them both. I simply don't believe there is that much payback available for the size houses this will be forced upon.
The installation/renvation costs however, WILL be expensive.
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The question I would have is how uncommon would these be without regulation?
May 16, 2024, 2:56 PM
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In the second link, they have a breakdown of the $31k estimate and over half of it is the double exterior wall (so you can insulate it.) Isn't that normal?
Seems like there are much bigger issues with driving housing prices up like corporations and private equity groups buying up all the supply.
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Oculus Spirit [81949]
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Is double insulation normal?
May 16, 2024, 4:18 PM
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I don't think so. Else it would just be called "insulation".
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but it cools the planet for our children***
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May 16, 2024, 2:57 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81949]
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I don't have any kids.
May 16, 2024, 4:17 PM
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Good luck, effers.
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Re: How will the new mandatory green energy bills affect housing prices?
May 16, 2024, 3:17 PM
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You will swallow whatever the environmental kooks tell you to swallow and you'll like it.
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