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TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 8:00 AM
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110%er [6598]
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A Pac12 and ACC merger is needed for college football
Jul 3, 2022, 8:22 AM
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How boring would it be to have only two conferences? And then add in the plain awful football programs in those two conferences like SC and Vandy, it’s going to be a homogenized product. It’s already gotten to that for many fans of the sport.
3 conferences fighting for 4 playoff spots is the best possible outcome.
And who were the idiots who locked the entire ACC conference into a mid major contract for decades without escape clauses? Smdh
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The Playoffs Will Expand like the NFL
Jul 3, 2022, 8:24 AM
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There's no way the CFP stays at 4. 12 may be a low number. It may be easier to win the national title than a conference title if only 2-3 super leagues exists.
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Re: A Pac12 and ACC merger is needed for college football
Jul 3, 2022, 9:55 AM
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WHY ?!?!
SO COLLEGE ATHLETES CAN SPEND ALL THEIR TIME ON AIRPLANES JETTING FROM ONE SIDE OF THE COUNTRY TO THE OTHER - THATS RIDICULOUS AND I HOPE IT NEVER HAPPENS.!!!!!
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Overreact much?
Jul 3, 2022, 10:23 AM
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We’re gonna end up in the SEC what we should’ve been decades ago. And idiots that want us to be in the Big Ten please just stop you showing how stupid you are. And for you truly mentally challenged people the think Clemson doesn’t need to make a move if we want to stay at the top of college football stop talking. Let the adults pick the decisions.
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Re: Overreact much?
Jul 3, 2022, 10:27 AM
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Who says the SEC wants Clemson? I’ve only heard the Clemson market doesn’t add to theirs and South Carolina would block it. I’m good with Clemson going to either the SEC or B1G but neither seem probable.
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Need a clemson alum back as governor
Jul 3, 2022, 11:37 AM
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Get rid of the McMaster moron and put somebody like Niki Haley back in. The governor is technically COB of USC, but never uses that clout (except to force an unwanted and unqualified guy into the president position). With the right governor, USC can’t block Clemson from the SEC.
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Re: Need a clemson alum back as governor
Jul 14, 2022, 3:24 PM
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McMasters good Governor but Niki Haley sucked. I don't think one team can block Clemson from getting in if could doubt Texas was be in. Probably would take a few teams to block them in. Doubt Saban and Alabama really want Dabo and Clemson in SEC.
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Re: Overreact much?
Jul 3, 2022, 4:09 PM
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In the streaming age markets doesn't matter as much. UCLA is in one of the biggest markets but if only 10 people are watching their games it doesn't matter.
South Carolina will vote however the SEC tells them to vote just like Texas ATM had better vote Yay when Texas hit the ballot or they will be looking for a conference.
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Re: A Pac12 and ACC merger is needed for college football
Jul 3, 2022, 10:47 AM
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I hope not too. But NIL with no regulation whatsoever, the idea of “student athlete” is taking a hit. If they’re in essence “professionals”, then plane rides it is. I’m not advocating for this, mind you.
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Re: A Pac12 and ACC merger is needed for college football
Jul 3, 2022, 12:56 PM
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I totally agree with the point that you're making about the weakest joining the hands with the strongest, and believing they are actually a part of the strength of the strongest simply by association.
Most sports writers believe that the SEC is arguably the best FB conference in all of college FB, and I can't make a case of them being wrong, but, the truth is by their association, the South Carolina Gamecocks, the Vanderbilt Commodores, the Kentucky Wild Cats, Mississippi State Bulldogs, and the Missouri Tigers. In most seasons those 5 SEC teams at best, have been on average a 5-7 loss teams since their membership in the South Eastern Conference. Those 5 SEC teams, and their fan bases believe that year after year, they have been a part of the ( questionable ) SEC FB dominance.
When I think about the SEC being the best FB conference even with USUC, Vandy, Kentucky, Missy St, Mizzou in that conference, for reasons they have never considered, they have played a big part in helping the SEC to be thought of as the strongest FB conference bc, they are in conference scheduled cup cake practice dummies that help the powers of the SEC get ready for post season play. With those 5 teams being in conference, in season scheduled SEC practice dummies, and actually being SEC cup cakes that helps the SEC strength of schedule. The SEC will also have 2 or 3 Out of conference cup cake teams on their schedule that will also help their own SEC practice dummies. The powers of the SEC has a schedule of in season, in conference practice dummies, and they will have, in season out of conference practice dummies with those teams known as cup cakes, and that gives the SEC power teams up to 7 or 8 in season practice dummies that they will play leading up to post season play.
The power teams that run the SEC in FB, they will only play about 3 of the SEC power teams in regular season play before 1 or 2 of those teams will ever face a playoff team. As it has been said by many in our own Fan base, the SEC is top heavy with a few really good teams, and those teams could be contenders for the national championship every year....
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UK tho
Jul 4, 2022, 9:50 AM
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I'd watch out about Kentucky; they look legit this year (again) & it's gonna be a fun team to watch.
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Good grief, so melodramatic.
Jul 3, 2022, 8:26 AM
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Folks actually did think college football was ending when Nebraska and Oklahoma stopped playing every year....or when Arkansas ND Mizzou jumped.
College football will change again, Clemson will still be a player as we have been.
Fact is CBS learned that folks on the west coast don't care about bama v auburn or uga v Florida, NBC isn't renewing ND and is already moving games to other channels they own to show stuff that draws better on the main network.
Relax folks.
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Re: Good grief, so melodramatic.
Jul 3, 2022, 8:32 AM
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"Folks actually did think college football was ending when Nebraska and Oklahoma stopped playing every year....or when Arkansas ND Mizzou jumped."
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there will still be college football
Jul 3, 2022, 10:50 AM
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just any school not in the big two will be like say a coastal carolina and be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things..then factor in how those conferences schools get massive payouts while the rest get peanuts ....its astounding how some view this as a great thing for clemson even if we stay int he acc
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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Where did I say it would be great for Clemson?
Jul 3, 2022, 12:24 PM
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Heck, I didn't say Clemson won't go to the "big 2" if things work out that way.
I'm just saying it's comical how everyone is freaking out.
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 8:33 AM
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Well written and I totally agree! College football is about to change so enjoy it while you can, it will never be as big an respected as it is right now in my opinion.
Money can be wonderful used with wisdom and for purposefully helping these kids with their futures but greed is the root of all evil.
We are in a greed phase, hopefully College football survives in some form keeping its history intact. I believe huge changes will be coming yearly for a long while.
Let’s go Tigers, win some National Championship’s until when!
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 11:20 PM
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I agree with you, totally. I do like our options better than USUC however. That bunch is best positioned to be the doormat of big time football til Christ returns!
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For once, TNet produces a good article
Jul 3, 2022, 8:43 AM
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nice work.
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Nick Saban is going to put on the Darth Vader suit and
Jul 3, 2022, 8:54 AM
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Never retire?!
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Nice headline bro’!!!
Jul 3, 2022, 9:02 AM
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How long have you been waiting to whip out “dystopian”?
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Great article. It's an eyelash away from being purely
Jul 3, 2022, 9:18 AM
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professional football. They, ESPN, FOX, SEC, and the Big Ten, will shamelessly continue to present it as college football. It is not, and more and more people over the age of 40 are finally coming to grips with it.
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“Scholarships for sports that don’t generate broad interest…
Jul 3, 2022, 9:21 AM
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and revenue may not exist as football detangles themselves from the other sports they financially prop up. It’s all very hard to predict, but there is good news for Clemson fans.”
Not good news for Clemson basketball.
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Re: “Scholarships for sports that don’t generate broad interest…
Jul 3, 2022, 10:24 AM
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I’m sure the Softball team is decent enough to carry the other sports while football disentangles. We all need to keep our ears to the ground for this one
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Re: “Scholarships for sports that don’t generate broad interest…
Jul 14, 2022, 7:03 PM
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Natty this season Clemson wins over Alabama but 28 like when Lawrence freshman. Cade will take up to final 4 each year that he is here
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Lutz. So overly dramatic. It must be downtime.
Jul 3, 2022, 9:26 AM
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RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
Why would the SEC/BIG ever have their own playoff and leave over half of the TV market behind.
This reads like an Onion article.
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It's not in the slightest bit overly dramatic.***
Jul 3, 2022, 11:17 AM
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This article is over dramatic.
Jul 3, 2022, 9:57 AM
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Change happens. I understand a “way of life” is ending which is a little sad but it’s also exciting. Hopefully we join the SEC. Maybe we get back to the 80’s when we played UGA every year! Who doesn’t want that?!
Having Florida, Bama, Tennessee in the Valley! How exciting is that?! I can’t wait for the road trips!! Man, this is going to be ALOT of fun!!
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It still mystifies me
Jul 3, 2022, 10:00 AM
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That schools would voluntarily agree to lock up their grant of rights for almost 20 years without clear (and less draconian) options to exit the “contract.” I really think there is a strong argument that this contract is void ab initio for lack of consideration, especially in a SC court of law.
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Re: It still mystifies me
Jul 3, 2022, 10:36 AM
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I'm no JD, but one of my old investors taught me that the detail of any exit is always the most important piece of a contract, not the entry!
To answer your question though, I'd say that providing "stability" of the conference would be consideration, right? I remember that Maryland was poached by the Big 10 and ND was dipping their toe into the ACC about 10 years ago. I also remember there being a lot of fear in the NCAA alignment changes. Would be interesting to see old TigerNet boards from those days.
As for SC law - do you think this would be adjudicated or arbitrated in SC courts? All of the ACC schools had to sign the grant of rights, and the conference is based in Greensboro. Seems messy.
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Re: It still mystifies me
Jul 3, 2022, 3:16 PM
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I wonder why we would have agreed to this. I need to go back and look, but thought we had voted against it, but majority ruled.
Regardless, I really hope we don’t stay put. Think SEC is preferred destination, but Big Ten would be better than staying in ACC. I wouldn’t be surprised if Notre Dame finally makes a jump into a conference and think it’s more likely Big Ten.
I think it’s time for us to leave. Let the ACc sue us. If we make the move, others will follow (FSU, Miami) and there won’t be an ACC left to take legal action as this could get tied up in courts for years.
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The idea of “student athlete” has become a joke.
Jul 3, 2022, 10:55 AM
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I don’t blame players or coaches from capitalizing financially. But I do blame universities for doing so. If they want to use major sports to market their school and unite alumni and fans, that’s fine - but stop acting like academics are a priority for the players. Most of the players care about their sport more than they do their education, and most at the power 5 level wouldn’t have gotten into their school based on academics.
I realize most fans don’t care one bit about it. I know I’m in the minority. But it’s insulting to what higher education was intended to be.
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Re: The idea of “student athlete” has become a joke.
Jul 3, 2022, 1:15 PM
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Judge, look up the rosters of the 18 or so other sports at Clemson and you will see name after name of student athletes you have never heard of. Football rules the roost but colleges and universities have sports for far more than football.
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Meh....
Jul 3, 2022, 4:40 PM
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you're not wrong, but you're not 100% logical either. As a member of the media I have long ago dropped any expectationsof any school invovled in sports to inherently do the right thing. They never have. They never will. If you cna seperate the academic branch of eductation from the sports branch, it's eaier to understand and accept. There is no longer a stringent correlation between the two. The always have, but now even moreso, operate under different rules, objectives and goals. It's time we as fans stop playing the "bbbbb...but college sports!" card. Move on.
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Knee Jerk Reactions Seldomly End Well
Jul 3, 2022, 11:00 AM
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If you ask me, there should be 4 Major Conferences. This should realign the playoff selection as well. Each conference should produce a conference champion, and that champion will advance to the 2nd round of the playoff to face a non-conference opponent etc.
However, after listening to this nonsense that I'm hearing on ESPN and FOX Sports, I cannot believe my ears. If the conferences split this way, it will undoubtedly create a hostile condition whereas the conferences will just fracture and split again. This would create a disaster and a gigantic waste of money will ensue.
Below will establish a decent conference alignment if you asked for my opinion. Not that my opinion means much.
ACC SEC BIG 10 PAC 12
The BIG East never produced much in the name of athletics anyway.
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Possible way PAC ACC merger could work (long)
Jul 3, 2022, 11:31 AM
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What if the APAC had 10 teams west coast (current ten) and took ten from ACC. You play 5 permanent schools from your coast. Then rotate the other four, 2 this year, two next - repeat.
Then you rotate the ten schools from other coast, 2 each year-one home, one away. It does take 5 years to get to everyone, but better than what ACC does now.
Gives you 9 conference games. Everyone has one trip across country
Alternately, have 3 permanents, rotate the 6 on you coast in 3 groups of 2s. Gives you 5 games. Pick you 2 on west that travel to you, 2 you travel to. In 3 years you play everyone.
Two cross country trips. Things are doable.
Plus if you eliminated BC, Cuse, Miami, and Pitt, pretty much could drive to all away games except those two west coast teams.
A schedule of FSU, GT, NCSU each year with UNC, Duke , WF, Louisville, VT, UVa plus an Oregon, Utah, Stanford and Arizona wouldn’t be so bad???
Or better - FSU, GT, NCSU, WF, Louisville - then 2 of UNC/UVa//VT/Duke and Washington away and Colorado home isn’t so bad.
Plus it is a coast to coast conference-may not demand as much money, but not bad.
Maybe kick out Duke and Wake , add ND and Miami? UNC could schedule Duke like we do UofSC. Same with State and Wake.
Two best Atlantic Division meet 2 best Pacific Divisions. Not sure where games to be played…
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 11:43 AM
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This whole thing is sucking the joy out of watching football. I rarely watch pro bowl because I don't care to watch a bunch of multi-millionaires "competing". Will champions now be the best paid?
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This might be the worst article ever written on tnet
Jul 3, 2022, 11:53 AM
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….absolutely no new insight
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I disagree
Jul 4, 2022, 9:48 AM
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Sincerely.
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Re: I agree
Jul 14, 2022, 9:11 PM
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The writer lost me when he said the ACC contract was in some ways the worst and the best. ACC is paid far less than the big 2, but the GOR keeps us together. I assume he was suggesting the GOR was the “best”. How in the heck can a contract that keeps Clemson from earning its value be considered good?
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 1:12 PM
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Be honest and look back over the list of the last 20 Football National Championships and tell us if super powers have not been around for years. Football will not change regardless of whether there is no longer a Power 5 but becomes a Power 4 for example. There will still be a handful of teams that win all the time, some that win every year, and a whole bunch of teams that struggle to break even each year. The game will not change just because the bank accounts at schools get bigger.
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 7:56 PM
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You don’t think a wealthy team can afford to bid for the best players and create a minor league Patriots? Hello we just saw LSU and Georgia do it. I could see teams banking the money for several down years just to offer a Trevor Lawrence a 4 mill a year contract to come play. This is gonna get ugly
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 14, 2022, 3:47 PM
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But remember Clemson's greatest QB Lawrence says paying athletes not good for college football.
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 1:16 PM
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Clemson is in trouble. Worst-case scenario is that the ACC stabilizes (thanks to the idiotic GoR) and we fall behind on a budget that pales in comparison to SEC & B1G schools…come 2036 we aren’t the football power or the brand we are today.
We are not going to get poached. It is too costly. A merger with the PAC-12 is our only viable option: that ensures the stability of the conference and reopens our TV deal to get us in shouting distance of the other two conferences. I don’t have much hope of that happening.
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 2:00 PM
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Total anarchy! Where have the smart leaders gone? Just like the movie "Idiocrasy". So sad!
The term Student-Athlete is now a joke. "Conference" is becoming a joke.
I'm about to give up on all college sports Please keep your filthy hands out of high school sports. No more IMG academies.
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Did you read the article though?
Jul 4, 2022, 9:46 AM
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The article talks about how things likely WON'T change here for this team, though? I think it's worth reading & come back.
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 7:54 PM
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I’m usually against government control or interference with anything private, but I would applaud if they did. Firstly these are public schools that take public grants from we the people. Not some capitalist monopoly (which anti trust laws prevent). This amounts to a private takeover of a public institutions assets for outright corporate greed. That said, we should have Begged to join the SEC years ago if for no other reason other than they are serious about football like we are. It’s hard to be in a conference with teams like Wake Forrest.
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 8:30 PM
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Ryan, nice call and summary about the NCAA and their 'efforts to stay abreast' of events impacting college sports in general and CFB in particular.
Regardless of what Clemson fans see as the future of CFB and of our future in CFB, everyone here had known for years that Mark Emmert and his staff at the NCAA were (and still are) little more than shills for big sports media (e.g., ESPN et al) and the money that flowed from big sports media.
As you had cited, the NCAA's convenience myopia about earnings rights for college athletes (why can't college athletes make money via outside work, yet non-athlete scholarship students can make money via outside work [delivering pizzas, painting, carpentry, cutting grass, etc.]) was inexcusable. But the Emmert cabal was comfortably living in high cotton, and didn't see the Civil War brewing.
Now the shizz has hit the fan, and it's just starting.
Big decisions looming for Clemson University overall and Clemson athletics in general ... your summary is terrific.
Fine work!
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 3, 2022, 9:24 PM
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I appreciate the kinds words. Thanks for reading.
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 4, 2022, 12:02 AM
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To be the best you have to be the best and Clemson and the other ACC teams will not have a chance to get to the final four or even the final eight with these mega leagues. Money talks and in the end Clemson will be somewhere else as well the other ACC teams perhaps band together with others or into some other huge league but the ACC will be history and it won’t be long.
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Re: TNET: Realignment and the dystopian future of college football
Jul 14, 2022, 3:49 PM
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Clemson will be only team to be able to do it. With Big 12 only OU had chance to get into playoffs.
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Ryan is a legend
Jul 4, 2022, 9:44 AM
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I don't agree with everything here, but man, I love these takes from Ryan, always.
I do love the idea that if we are truly stuck in the ACC with this contract for the next 13 years, that also means we hold on to those traditions & opponents for at least as long.
That IS worth celebrating.
Is it worth losing out on a net of a billion dollars? I dunno, but hey, MAYBE it literally is worth just that. Gonna enjoy the heck out of it in the meantime. Go Tigers!
Thanks again, Ryan. Enjoyed this.
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Re: Ryan is a legend
Jul 5, 2022, 4:14 PM
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I appreciate your comments a lot! Thanks dude!
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