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Heisman Winner [112315]
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If you could go back in time to the 2000 election
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May 2, 2024, 10:30 AM
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would you sit that one out and let Gore get the win? Was having a Republican in office worth going into Iraq and Afghanistan, installing a surveillance state, and of course Tarp. Me thinks the pendulum would not be swinging so hard had he never been allowed that Dufus into the Oval Office.
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Gore needed this time free to fine tune his invention called "The Internet".***
May 2, 2024, 10:32 AM
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Re: If you could go back in time to the 2000 election
May 2, 2024, 10:33 AM
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Definitely Gore.
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Re: If you could go back in time to the 2000 election
May 2, 2024, 10:35 AM
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I don't know how well Gore handles 9/11, and I imagine Afghanistan happens, regardless. I do think Iraq doesn't happen and who knows where the world is after that. The failures in Afghanistan weren't just on Bush, also.
I don't think we see Obama rise in 2008 with Gore. Hillary becomes a more likely option. Obama seemed to be more of a Dem response to Bush. And if Hillary or McCain wins in 2008, I'm not sure Trump emerges.
So maybe it would be positive if you factor that, but I also fear what a Hillary presidency would have brought us. I wish we could have had McCain or Romney, and if having Gore win in 2000 brings us that, maybe it would have been worth it.
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Re: If you could go back in time to the 2000 election
May 2, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Well said. Definitely would’ve liked to see McCain get a shot.
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you would have had TARP
May 2, 2024, 10:37 AM
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or something similar either way. Clinton Admin repealed Glass - Steagal. That was the seed that grew into the overleveraged financial sector that eventually imploded in the GFC.
For a fun debate, do we have GFC without middle eastern conflict? Maybe not in '07, but at some point, assuredly.
I think the Iraq invasion led to disproportionate rises in energy costs which began breaking the US economy....just my $0.02. The we figured out to frack, but at that point, we were already entrenched in a free money debt hysteria economy under Ben and rode on like a savior by Obama.
Depending on where you sit with who runs what, I don't think the color of the administration changes whether or not we get the Patriot Act. ESPECIALLY if 9/11 occurred under Gore, that bill still gets signed, IMO.
I say this as a hater of W as well...I (should be rather apparent) despise the Patriot Act, government agencies, Bernanke, Geitner, Pualson, the Fed in general, etc. etc. etc.
The only truth I sort of buy that I think you're saying, is we maybe avoid the like 20-ish? year war in Afghanistan. Maybe. Which would be nice. Tough to say though, if 9/11 happens under Gore, that our military and intelligence agencies don't do what they do regardless of the color of the admin.
Let's be real, there were a handful of politicians vocal against all of that when it happened. One ran for president as a red teamer, and was obviously cheated out of the primary. Now THAT would have 1,000% changed the course of the 2010s and 2020s.
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Re: you would have had TARP
May 2, 2024, 11:48 AM
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Like TARP or not (I have mixed feelings about it), it was a program that actually had a monetary quantifiable return to the government.
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TARP wasnt the worse part
May 2, 2024, 10:29 PM
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Forcing TBTF banks was, instead of going back to Clinton admin and prior legislation (fairly sure enacted after the Great Depression) to prevent this from happening.
THAT is a complete ####### joke and just bent the working class over and went in dry.
From a pure balance sheet, return on investment perspective...sure, I'll concede TARP paid off. But the UST/Fed selecting institutions to relieve while we row the boat is utter ######### and I hope they slowly rot in hell
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May 2, 2024, 10:30 PM
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Efffffffffff me hanging out with fbcooch
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Re: TARP wasnt the worse part
May 3, 2024, 8:31 AM
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Part of the BS was that some of the institutions were threatened into it by Hank. I get that from a straight government operational perspective, but talk about some straight socialist communist stuff. And the due diligence that was going on at some of these institutions was laughable.
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or go back to 1944 and put
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May 2, 2024, 11:37 AM
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Wallace on the ticket instead of Truman and we'd all be fine Russian-speaking comrades today
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Re: If you could go back in time to the 2000 election
May 2, 2024, 11:52 AM
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That question is seriously haunting AF. Dubya messed up. Big time.
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May 2, 2024, 12:01 PM
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Hard to imagine where we would be with a non-destabilized Middle East a quarter century on.
As is, we are phukked.
Thanks Dub.
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Cheney and Rummy... Dub was just along for the ride. Now, his Daddy, well....***
May 3, 2024, 10:42 AM
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No argument with that, but Dub wasn't bright enough to see through it.
May 3, 2024, 11:59 AM
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Which causes me concern when Liz Cheney is one voice of reason among the GOP.
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He did by his second term... That's why they didn't get along. As to Liz, she's
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May 3, 2024, 12:23 PM
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DC Uni-Party born and bred.
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Re: If you could go back in time to the 2000 election
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May 2, 2024, 12:14 PM
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A limited response in Afghanistan was reasonable. Iraq was a huge mistake by Bush.
However, Al Gore is the phoniest, cheesiest politician to come down the pike in a long time. He’s the Eddie Haskell of politicians.
No to Al. He couldn’t even win his “home” state of TN, much less his home congressional district where the people perhaps knew him best.
Still glad he lost.
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Re: If you could go back in time to the 2000 election
May 2, 2024, 1:12 PM
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Bush administration warned Congress about a possible financial crisis, but Frank had been in the bed with Fannie.
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I voted for Bush in 2000. Wish I'd voted for Gore....
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May 2, 2024, 10:34 PM
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He would not have invaded Iraq. He wouldn't have run up as much debt as Bush, too.
Bush did better at making himself seem like a normal likeable guy. But Gore would've been the better president, in retrospect.
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Re: If you could go back in time to the 2000 election
May 3, 2024, 8:18 AM
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A stupid post and stupid question that assumes under Gore 'nothing bad happens.'
Just say the question like this: Would you vote for Bush or ignorantly vote for outcomes that could only exist in your imagination. Assuming Gore and the USA would have navigated those times with a significantly different outcome is just speculation and opinion.
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Oculus Spirit [81580]
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"speculation and opinion" are typically a given when the question starts with
May 3, 2024, 9:20 AM
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"if you could go back in time..."
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Orange Blooded [3779]
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I did sit that one out
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May 3, 2024, 10:39 AM
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In FL no less. After our President lied to a grand jury with no consequences, and we were left with the awful choices of Bush v Gore, I voted Libertarian and have never looked back
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Im I hearing you right?
May 3, 2024, 10:51 AM
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If Al Gore were elected president we’d be living in the big rock candy mountains?
That’s pretty naive
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Re: Im I hearing you right?
May 3, 2024, 10:54 AM
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What does that mean? Do you mind translating that?
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Orange Blooded [4118]
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Re: Im I hearing you right?
May 3, 2024, 11:00 AM
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I like it. That's actually interesting. On that note, the OP was saying we wouldn't have gone to Iraq.
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He could be right about iraq
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May 3, 2024, 11:29 AM
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Gore & Bush were both bought and paid for by the defense contractors
If it wasn’t Iraq it would have been somewhere else
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Re: He could be right about iraq
May 3, 2024, 11:50 AM
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Doubt it.
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Re: If you could go back in time to the 2000 election
May 3, 2024, 1:00 PM
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if I didn't know what was coming (which we didn't) my vote would be the same - Bush
Had I know that Gore would have a great relationship with radical Muslims, he would get my vote. Just as if I knew that Kerry would have most certainly stopped Katrina in the gulf, he would have had my vote as well.
That being said, we would not have gone into Iraq. Iraq would still be coming here.
Besides, you can't overlook the fact that war is big business.
"Dufus into the Oval Office"? you mean as opposed to the genius that's there now?
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