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SI article on FSU's exit attempt
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:36 AM
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https://www.si.com/college/2023/12/27/florida-state-acc-exit-lawsuit-college-sports-tv-money?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_8645253&hashed_email=1c5b3b041b735c0fa454c636761c930fb88039f29e0e431bf172fcac7ab224e3&lctg=181237870
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The destruction of much of what made college athletics great in the first place has gone up-tempo. Conferences are collapsing, regionality is a joke, Olympic sports are in peril, the academic underpinning of higher education is endangered by the increasingly real prospect of unlimited transfers. It might soon be time to kick football off-campus, making it a fully professional sport. License out nicknames, school colors and other trappings associated with the universities, rent the stadiums on Saturdays and practice facilities during the week, but otherwise the players and coaches would have nothing to do with actual college.
Sounds charming, doesn’t it?
None of this is to say Florida State is committing the original sin here. It’s merely the latest example. Texas and Oklahoma began detonating the landscape in 2021, USC and UCLA followed in ’22, then the rest of the Pac-12 schools fled for their own money grabs this year. With a growing revenue gap between the Southeastern Conference and Big Ten and everyone else, the ACC is the next vulnerable target in the power consolidation game.
The thing that pushes this particular grab for cash over the top is the ACC’s grant of rights agreement—signed by Florida State in 2016—that theoretically binds the league’s members together until 2036. But honoring a contract is for suckers. The school wants out at what could be a staggering loss of revenue—at least $350 million according to some estimates, perhaps up to $500 million—with no clear landing place. It is one of the most brazen power plays in college sports history and it could trigger the most upheaval in college sports history.
It could set in motion the annihilation of the ACC, or at least a vast diminishing of the conference, because if FSU pulls this off then others will follow. Clemson has been considered “very connected” to FSU, per a well-placed ACC source earlier this year. Miami would be the third football-first ACC school that could bail. And all of that could free up North Carolina and Virginia, which have been considered the two most desirable ACC properties for both the SEC and Big Ten. They would open up new TV markets in new states while keeping the SEC geographically contiguous, and their academic cachet could be valuable (no, really).
Does the SEC want Florida State? Initial indications are no. There is resistance within the league and it stands to reason that ESPN—which is the media hub for both the SEC and ACC—would be opposed to the destruction of a league it has under contract for 13 more years at an advantageous rate. But if it comes down to a choice between losing the Noles to the Big Ten or taking them, the SEC’s stance might change.
The hard-charging, already-bloated Big 12—which will have 16 members starting next year—presumably would take anyone that adds football value. The Seminoles, Tigers and (to a lesser extent) Hurricanes would do that.
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Re: SI article on FSU's exit attempt
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:45 AM
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Just reading that excerpt makes it seem as if this writer has no clue what’s going on. Why would FSU, Clemson and Miami blow up the ACC to take a step down to the Big12? This must be a Swaim follower…
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Re: SI article on FSU's exit attempt
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:50 AM
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I read this article yesterday, and it struck me as a hit piece! The SEC, B1G, are on pace to completely bury the ACC. This writer seems to imply that we should just take our lumps and be happy! Maybe Jim Phillips was the ghost writer!
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I will say this, I respect Yormack a ton! He rescued the Big 12!
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:55 AM
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I think he could negotiate a huge media package if they were to add Clemson, FSU and Miami. The Big 12 has some really good teams. And it is only going to get better too. The biggest downside is away game travel $$ for the fans. But think of the mini- vacation trips you can plan around some of the away games. Someting to think about 🤔
I have been against the idea of the Big 12 so thinking about it more has softened my stance. The B1G travel sux too and I’m not as excited about seeing the places where they are located. At least we had Boston and Louisville to visit in the ACC, the rest are drivable. And while the SEC venues are mostly drivable and most of the towns are desirable, the conference is deplorable. They would treat Clemson like a red headed step child forever. Who wants to be under the control of that regime? 🤮
Maybe it is time for some Yormack out of the box thinking… 🧐
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Re: I will say this, I respect Yormack a ton! He rescued the Big 12!
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Dec 28, 2023, 12:01 PM
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Please, name the Big 12s “really good teams” and their list of accomplishments…
And what makes traveling to mid western schools any better than the Big schools? Its generally warmer in the winter?
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Re: I will say this, I respect Yormack a ton! He rescued the Big 12!
Dec 28, 2023, 12:28 PM
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You prefer Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oregon Wash, California -OVER- Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Texas, West Virginia, Oklahoma, and Florida? They both have Kansas unfortunately 🙄
To each his own I suppose. Geographically, the SEC is more appealing, however the powers that run it make me twitch. Slimy is the word that comes to mind. The B1G does zero for me other than the $$.
Not saying Big 12 is perfect, just saying it has its upsides and the $$ will come if they secure FSU, Clemson, Miami. And if they get some Tobacco Road basketball schools too, then bam! That helps as well.
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Re: I will say this, I respect Yormack a ton! He rescued the Big 12!
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Dec 28, 2023, 12:39 PM
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Both the Big10 and 12 have a few decent travel locations but overall they are eh. The problem with the Big12 compared to even the ACC (which has better travel destinations) is they are everyone else’s leftovers. The ones no one wanted. Think Wake Forest, Syracuse, Duke, BC, etc. That’s their level of competition. We want to join a conference of sloppy seconds? No thanks. We might as well stay in the ACC if that’s our option. At least we can travel to the teams easily, for the most part.
Every team in the Big12 would jump at a chance to be in the ACC. Even an ACC without FSU.
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Fair enough I can see that***
Dec 28, 2023, 12:57 PM
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Re: I will say this, I respect Yormack a ton! He rescued the Big 12!
Dec 28, 2023, 1:25 PM
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Agreed. The Big 12 has no Alpha programs to sell. They lost the 2 they had to the SEC. Sure there will be some good football product with that many programs and some decent history with some, but it's just a glorified AAC today - that's it.
FSU, Miami, and Clemson are 3 Alpha programs that the ACC still has in its pocket, plus a 1/2 in Notre Dame? The B1G has what, 5? OSU, Michigan, Penn State, and now USC and I guess Oregon? The SEC? Bama, UGA, LSU, TX, OK, and UF? 6? Everybody else is riding coattails.
It's been frustrating to say the least to see how the ACC squandered the potential it had in its grasp. The misguided attempts at adding TV markets as a growth element aside, the league essentially chose to sideline many potentially compelling games from there with the idiotic division alignments it forced on everyone. Doing away with divisions to boost this frequency has come about way too late in the process.
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As for good schools in the Big 12
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Dec 28, 2023, 12:36 PM
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TCU, UCF, Cincinnati, Ok St, KState, Utah, WVU, Houston, Baylor… then add Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC and maybe Vtech and you have a solid conference for Yormack to work with… Iowa St ain’t bad either.
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Re: As for good schools in the Big 12
Dec 28, 2023, 12:43 PM
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Or, we just take their serviceable football schools and add them to the ACC and dump the rest of the leftovers. Let’s face it, the ACC isn’t pulling in any big dogs from the Big or SEC. For Clemson it’s Big, $EC, or obscurity.
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You make good points I have to say ***
Dec 28, 2023, 12:59 PM
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Re: As for good schools in the Big 12
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Dec 28, 2023, 2:03 PM
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I would love to see Clemson in the BIG12. Bring a few ACC teams over and renegotiate the TV contract and all is good.
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Re: I will say this, I respect Yormack a ton! He rescued the Big 12!
Dec 28, 2023, 12:11 PM
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I know football ultimately drives everything, but that would be a lot of value in an ACC/B12 bball conference. AZ, KU, Baylor, Houston, Cincy, WVU, OSU, Duke, UNC, UVA.
I also think the ACC teams would love to find a way to stick it to the B1G after the whole "alliance" fiasco.
I think you're right on your Clemson opinion in the SEC as well. A&M thought the SEC had scratched it's TX itch when they came aboard. A&M was told they just wanted a TX school for TV coverage, and they weren't interested in having more than one TX school...then they go add the primary reason A&M left the B12.
Like you, I wouldn't count out Yormack.
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If the Big 16 and ACC 16 merged, they would have leverage
Dec 28, 2023, 12:41 PM
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Between the football and basketball content, things would be popping! And if ND threw their hat in the ring, that would be game, set match!
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Re: If the Big 16 and ACC 16 merged, they would have leverage
Dec 28, 2023, 1:53 PM
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ND will never join a conference in football. They are essentially a 1 team conference. They get a vote in the NCAA just like every other conference commissioner.
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FBS is restructuring into 2 or 4 superconferences.
Dec 28, 2023, 2:12 PM
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Notre Dame will have to join.
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Re: FBS is restructuring into 2 or 4 superconferences.
Dec 28, 2023, 2:33 PM
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Yeah...just like they did with the BCS, and just like they did with the playoff. There will be a carve out exception for them, just like always.
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Its not the same. Key being new conferences.***
Dec 28, 2023, 3:32 PM
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Re: SI article on FSU's exit attempt
Dec 28, 2023, 12:06 PM
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Right from the start you could see that article was meant to get hits, and that's as far as I got...
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Fingers crossed we head to the SEC!
Dec 28, 2023, 12:08 PM
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The Big Ten is to cold for me! Plus let’s play in the south. We’re not Yankees!
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