TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
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TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 4:23 PM
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 4:25 PM
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Agree...it's just lame. This shtick is wearing thin.
Dec 21, 2022, 4:30 PM
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Everything he does these days comes off as thin-skinned and reactionary.
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Same person he was a decade ago...Not sure where you've been
Dec 21, 2022, 4:59 PM
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He stands up for what he believes in no matter what you or anyone else thinks.
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He’s not in charge of judgement day buttface***
Dec 21, 2022, 10:51 PM
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Re: He’s not in charge of judgement day buttface***
Dec 22, 2022, 12:54 AM
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Please show me where I said he was #### for brains.
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I will straight up fight you***
Dec 21, 2022, 10:57 PM
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Re: I have no problem with his beliefs, as a matter of fact
Dec 21, 2022, 5:34 PM
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God does not care about college football or money I can promise you that.
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Re: I have no problem with his beliefs, as a matter of fact
Dec 21, 2022, 5:46 PM
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Exactly. So why can't you operate with respect and character within the NIL ?
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Re: I have no problem with his beliefs, as a matter of fact
Dec 21, 2022, 6:00 PM
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He is.
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Not disagreeing with you just to get a rise...
Dec 22, 2022, 2:23 AM
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Imho God cares about every aspect of his children's lives. If the nil and college football or even a ping ping racket and table are the desires and goals of his children then I believe God cares about it and wants it to benefit and glorify him. Rom 8 28 - And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose
And some icing on the cake in Luke - Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured
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Re: Agree...it's just lame. This shtick is wearing thin.
Dec 21, 2022, 6:01 PM
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The games before 2011 don't count??
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Re: Agree...it's just lame. This shtick is wearing thin.
Dec 21, 2022, 6:37 PM
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Count em. 81% over 14 1/2 years. Now, match it if you can.
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Re: Saban***
Dec 22, 2022, 9:31 AM
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Exactly. It’s a very elite group with an extremely short role.
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Re: Agree...it's just lame. This shtick is wearing thin.
Dec 21, 2022, 10:49 PM
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Sorry you atheist don’t understand Dabo. Maybe you need to pull for another coach and team.
And I am sorry that you don't understand that this is a state university, not Bob Jones University or Liberty.
If Dabo is incapable of spouting off about his religion, maybe he should reconsider whether a state university is where he should be.
(I love what he's done for the program, but this is so tiresome.)
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So people employed by the government aren't allowed to speak
Dec 22, 2022, 1:08 AM
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their beliefs? Hmmmm.
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You realize the majority of Athletes are very religious?
Dec 22, 2022, 1:33 AM
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Especially in our key recruiting demographic in the south. We said the lords player for every sport before every game starting in tee ball and pee wee football. Most of the guys participate in FCA in middle and high school. If you listen to what most athletes say in game interviews they are giving praise to God. So to say that Dabo displaying his beliefs and building a program around Christian values really shows your ignorance to the landscape of the southern sports culture. Dabo continues to bring in to classes year after year and has not changed who he is. You don’t have to agree with his beliefs but to say he shouldn’t display those beliefs and build his highly successful program around them and use them as a recruiting tool displays your bias blocking out your thinking.
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Re: Agree...it's just lame. This shtick is wearing thin.
Dec 23, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Some of you don't understand that state employees can talk religion. You just can't openn a statte church and require people to join.
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Re: Agree...it's just lame. This shtick is wearing thin.
Dec 21, 2022, 10:38 PM
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Don’t agree, and neither do the top classes he reels in year after year after year after year…some fans, and some people in general appreciate that Dabo actually has a moral compass. I suspect those that don’t just don’t like hearing anyone yak about their faith and how it impacts their life.
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Re: Agree...it's just lame. This shtick is wearing thin.
Dec 23, 2022, 1:42 PM
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Or maybe jealous of little ole Clemson's success.
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Re: You're a DA
Dec 21, 2022, 4:44 PM
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director of athletics?
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Re: You're a DA
Dec 21, 2022, 4:44 PM
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darn astute?
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My theology is a little different than his. Not crazy
Dec 21, 2022, 4:47 PM
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about wearing it on your sleeve. But I sincerely believe that he is a good an decent man who does what he does informed by his faith. As a good methodist, if his actions are guided by love, them, they are good.
(I'm a good methodist - have no idea what brand Dabo is)
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Re: My theology is a little different than his. Not crazy
Dec 21, 2022, 5:25 PM
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Sounds like you aren't very proud of it if you aren't willing to testify to other people.
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Re: My theology is a little different than his. Not crazy
Dec 21, 2022, 10:51 PM
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Sounds like you aren't very proud of it if you aren't willing to testify to other people.
Matthew 6:5-8 “When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen.”
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Re: My theology is a little different than his. Not crazy
Dec 22, 2022, 12:58 AM
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God said to go and spread his word. He didn't say go hide in your closet and keep it to yourself. There is a huge difference in praying and giving a testimony for Jesus Christ.
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No brands, and there are no “good” anythings
Dec 21, 2022, 5:58 PM
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Including methodists. Which is why we all need a savior!
And just for grins, if you don’t live your faith as you say on your sleeve, I don’t believe you love the same Jesus I gave MY LIFE to!
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Re: No brands, and there are no “good” anythings
Dec 21, 2022, 7:36 PM
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This is a perfect example of the difference in Baptists and Methodists. Baptists make sure to testify and tell everyone how religious they are because they believe sinning quietly is somehow better than sinning in other ways.
“You know how to make sure you have zero beers left after a fishing trip? Take ONE Baptist.
You know how to save all your beer for yourself on a fishing trip? Take TWO Baptists”
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Actually not Baptist in the least, only claim Jesus as my
Dec 21, 2022, 10:14 PM
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Lord and Savior. No more labels needed!
And I think “port’s” post is a prime example of why the world and in particular our country is in the decline it’s in - Jesus’s church has been silent too long! i.e. not wearing our faith on our sleeve and living out our faith in full view of the world.
Until we the church grow a pair and be the hands and feet of Christ, conditions will continue to decline.
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Actually not Baptist in the least, only claim Jesus as my
Dec 21, 2022, 10:14 PM
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Lord and Savior. No more labels needed!
And I think “port’s” post is a prime example of why the world and in particular our country is in the decline it’s in - Jesus’s church has been silent too long! i.e. not wearing our faith on our sleeve and living out our faith in full view of the world.
Until we the church grow a pair and be the hands and feet of Christ, conditions will continue to decline.
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Re: No brands, and there are no “good” anythings
Dec 22, 2022, 1:02 AM
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Religious denominations are just like Democrats and Republicans. One thinks they are better than the other. I am a Christian that answers to God and no one else. Your self righteousness will catch up with you eventually if as a methodist you think you are a better Christian than a Baptist. We are all God's children and sinners. It is because of his son Jesus Christ we are forgiven, not perfect.
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Re: Dabo has to be Southern Baptist. He sounds just like one.***
Dec 22, 2022, 1:03 AM
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Do you have a problem with that?
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Re: Dabo giving pearls to pigs....
Dec 21, 2022, 6:32 PM
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Huh? More than anyone? So the 4 playoff coaches (Smart, Harbaugh, Dykes and Day) aren't getting it right?
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 4:30 PM
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???
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 4:32 PM
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It certainly isn’t being sustained on hood play calling and personnel management.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 4:34 PM
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He doesn't understand that we are not in His likeness but after His likeness..if we were in His likeness then we would be equal to God.
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Thank God you cleared that up.***
Dec 21, 2022, 4:36 PM
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Re: TomAto, toMAHto
Dec 21, 2022, 6:19 PM
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100% chance you will find out, Sterling.
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Re: TomAto, toMAHto
Dec 21, 2022, 7:30 PM
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When he's on fire?
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 5:08 PM
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Welp...thank goodness it's signing day otherwise this would be THE lead story on ESPN and every other "sports" news outlet. And it's not like anybody reasonable actually thinks Dabo ISN'T a Christian, but this is broad-based statement is sorta of unnecessary.. We already put enough extra hurdles on this program ourselves. No need to make it easier to add more from outsiders/haters.
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They'll throw it in a drawer
Dec 21, 2022, 5:49 PM
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and save it for a slow news day.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 5:21 PM
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Is there something he said you haven't heard before? He thanks God every time he has a chance. Nothing new. One day he won't be here to say these "things" you dislike and you will all miss him and his solid faith. He will be very hard to ever replace. It's never bothered me.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 5:42 PM
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Yes, I've never heard God's' name intertwined with college football NIL before. Have YOU heard this before? If Dabo wants to describe his personal faith, that's fine, but describing the entirety of the football program as being built in God's "NIL" comes across as kind of odd/unhelpful. Clemson is a public institution, not a private Baptist, Methodist or Catholic school. If it was, then totally fine.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 5:52 PM
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Maybe you should take a look at the kids who play here. They all seem to be strong in their faith, and aren't afraid to show it. I personally find it refreshing.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 7:26 PM
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While it's comforting to think every kid on the team is like Cade,the obvious reality is they are not. And I don't need everyone to be like Cade in order to support the team. And I don't the head coach to talk about religion in order to support the team. Maybe you do, but I don't. I don't mind if he does talk about it, as long as he's describing his personal faith.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 8:27 PM
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And you are who exactly?
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 8:44 PM
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LOL. Come back to me when you've made more than 50 posts. Until then, move along.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 6:26 PM
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You should read the First Amendment, secgrowa.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Public institutions can't prohibit the free exercise thereof!
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 10:54 PM
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This country was founded on Christian principles, we need to get back to placing them in public places. Too many people in this country love the creation but not the Creator. Merry Christmas!
So you disagree with the Bible, when it Matthew it was written: “When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen.”
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“Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to all the
Dec 22, 2022, 9:45 AM
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creation." Mark 16:15
Then there's that... I bet Dabo prays in quiet place by himself as well. Ya'll gotta understand that this is who DAbo is and will always be. How have you not reconciled that yet?
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 22, 2022, 7:51 PM
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This country was founded on Christian principles Really???? these guys would disagree:
"The United States in not in any sense founded on Christian religion" Thomas Jefferson
"Religion and Government will exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together" James Madison
I could go on and on
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 8:23 PM
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Yes, I've never heard God's' name intertwined with college football NIL before. Have YOU heard this before? If Dabo wants to describe his personal faith, that's fine, but describing the entirety of the football program as being built in God's "NIL" comes across as kind of odd/unhelpful. Clemson is a public institution, not a private Baptist, Methodist or Catholic school. If it was, then totally fine.
Then dont hire a man of faith to not only revamp a football program but take it to heights its never been consistently.
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Love you Dabo but that was corny***
Dec 21, 2022, 5:25 PM
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How?....***
Dec 21, 2022, 5:53 PM
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In every imaginable way
Dec 21, 2022, 7:34 PM
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Hope that helps.
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you guys are so fragile. so sensitive and worried about what
Dec 22, 2022, 9:41 AM
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people might perceive as corny or not inline with almighty great mainstream narrative. Nerf ball. Soft.
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Thanks coach,
Dec 21, 2022, 5:31 PM
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for being a man that kids can look up to. We need more men like you. And thanks for helping give others like me the courage to talk about our faith. We need more God in this world, not less.
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I love this
Dec 21, 2022, 5:34 PM
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EPIC !!!!
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No doubt. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done.
Dec 21, 2022, 5:37 PM
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Dabo is a believer. Amen. And this program is built on faith and doing the right thing to its credit. And also a great deal of coaching salaries and program facilities.
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The man is "rock" steady!
Dec 21, 2022, 6:00 PM
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What's not to love?
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 6:01 PM
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Queue up Joel Klatt, David Hale, and the other guy.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 6:12 PM
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Go back and read or listen to the comments from many of our recruits and current players that mention God and their faith and the role faith has in the Clemson program as part of the reason they chose Clemson. Dabo is reinforcing this position with the players that share similar beliefs. Have you heard an interview with Cade where he didn’t mention God?
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 6:13 PM
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I’m all in with Dabo.
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Expect media fallout from this, but CDS is still…
Dec 21, 2022, 6:18 PM
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…a TREASURE to Clemson University.
I would not be surprised to see another couple of lawsuits get filed against CDS from some atheist-hating creatures over this.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 6:21 PM
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I love the fact that he stands for the name, image & likeness of God. Corny? Eye roll come’on man.
These are principles where the creator is 1st in all things, Clemson is walking in the blessings of Abraham because we honor God as the Supreme power of all things.
We are truly blessed to have a man of faith as our football coach(I’m not asking about perfection because none of us have that) a man with principles that his culture at Clemson follow.
It’s why the best football families want to be apart of the Clemson program. Train them up in the way they should go and they will not depart from it.
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 7:47 PM
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But you can’t exclude players who don’t believe in God. I don’t believe in God. Would you discriminate against me because of that fact?
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 22, 2022, 1:09 AM
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He doesn't force anyone to come to Clemson. If you don't believe then that is your choice. I'm sure not every player on the team is a Christian.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 8:38 PM
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Its ok you dont believe in God right now. He STILL believes in you and ALWAYS will. HE never discriminates!!
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 22, 2022, 1:10 AM
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Very well said!
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 6:21 PM
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As usual, Dabo is getting LIT UP by the bluecheck journalists and far-left twitter clowns. Funny how the people with low morals and ethics have the most to say about a man with high morals and ethics.
Really sad state of affairs for our modern culture when a man of god is dragged for *checks notes* being a man of god.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 22, 2022, 1:12 AM
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No one cares about Twitter and their Satanist journalism. I wish Musk would just Nuke the whole platform and do us all a favor.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 21, 2022, 6:29 PM
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I don't preach on the street, but Dabo and I share the same faith. If I had his platform, I would think the right thing for me to do fairly regularly would be to remind folks who know me of my faith. Dabo makes his team, his fans, the media and the nation who knows his name a bit know about his faith. I have zero problems with the manner he conducts himself and witnesses to his faith. Everyone who knows Dabo's name knows where he stands with his faith and with his beliefs. I am good with that.
Some people of faith wear special clothing as a manner of telling the world about their beliefs. Nuns wear habits, some preachers were a special collar in public. The Pope wears a special robe and a special hat. Some Jews were a special cap and clothing. Most Sundays many of us get up,put on our Sunday Clothes and go to church. Southerners often talk more about our faith than most other Americans. All of us have seen and know ball players who cross themselves before a free throw. Is that a shtick?
It strikes me as a bit telling that more than a few people get really disturbed by another person's expression of his or her faith in public. A couple of folks making comments here have called Dabo's method of talking about his faith a shtick. I wonder if they see all the other ways people exhibit faith in the course of their work as a shtick? What is it that makes some really uncomfortable about anyone else's public faith?
I am good with Dabo's willingness to say aloud that he tries to conduct himself and run his football program the way in which he believes his God wishes him to act. Odd that troubles some.
Go Tigers!!
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 23, 2022, 12:16 PM
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The evangelical right's shouting and in your face proselytizing is what gives Christianity a bad name and puts non-believers off. Please keep your faith and politics to yourself and respect others rights not to be assaulted with your personal feelings on these matters. This country will better place.
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It was fun while it lasted, boys and girls
Dec 21, 2022, 7:55 PM
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Dabo has gone full on street preacher.
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Re: It was fun while it lasted, boys and girls
Dec 21, 2022, 7:59 PM
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Yeah, I wouldn't go that far. I'd say he's moving into the "I don't really care that much anymore and I'll do and say what I want" lane.
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Either way, we’re all ######.***
Dec 21, 2022, 8:05 PM
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Re: Either way, we’re all ######.***
Dec 21, 2022, 8:48 PM
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Not all of us.
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Dec 21, 2022, 9:40 PM
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While respecting everyone’s right to express their opinion, I’m unsure what is offensive about Dabo’s values. He believes in the God who says that every person is equally valuable, loved, and created in His image. His Son Jesus is the Champion of women, the poor, the marginalized, and those who disagree with Him. He doesn’t force Himself on anyone. His offer is eternal life to those who choose to follow Him.
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If he wants to be in the ministry, then
Dec 21, 2022, 9:52 PM
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that’s the calling he should have pursued. Y’all call it “witnessing”; I call it a congenital inability to leave other people alone, and a Clemson press conference is not the place for it. Your faith is between you and your God, assuming you worship one.
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why do you feel the need to tell him how to worship his God?
Dec 22, 2022, 9:35 AM
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who made you the authority? You just said you think he pushes his beliefs on others and here you are pushing the way you believe how he should act onto him. Isn't it funny how we sometimes argue against the very thing we do.
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I agree with Jesus:
Dec 22, 2022, 10:42 AM
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“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen.”
Which makes you and Dabo--and several others on this board--the hypocrites.
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Jesus spelled it out in terms that
Dec 22, 2022, 10:46 AM
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anyone should be able to understand:
“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen.”
That makes you and Dabo--and several others on this board--the hypocrites.
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Re: Jesus spelled it out in terms that
Dec 23, 2022, 1:52 PM
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Jesus also said to go into all the world and make disciples of them --or did you forget that part?
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Lil Too Much maybe
Dec 21, 2022, 10:19 PM
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Not at all the content of Genesis 1:26 Far too casual. Maybe he’s having fun
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I’m a Christian and really appreciate Dabo’s Christian faith.
Dec 21, 2022, 11:01 PM
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But when he says stuff like this, he sounds hokey.
I don’t think it comes across like he thinks it does.
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Very thankful Dabo is a man of faith as the leader
Dec 22, 2022, 1:46 AM
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Of our program!
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As a highly visible employee of a public university.…
Dec 23, 2022, 2:49 AM
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making crazy money; I expect much better judgment and self control. Sure your being out spent by your competitors on NIL money, but please don’t launch into a sanctimonious rant about your faith expecting to even up the score. It sounds so cringey to the other 50% of us who are not so evangelical, Jewish, non-believers, Hindu, Muslims or whatever.
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 23, 2022, 9:16 AM
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He is a man of faith and conviction. He stands up for his beliefs and is not afraid to use his bully pulpit. I like his style. God and his son Jesus stand for and give all of us that believe hope. Let no one be shouted down who believes. Good on him!
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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney on NIL: "We built this program in God's name, image and likeness"
Dec 23, 2022, 12:12 PM
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The evangelical right's shouting and in your face proselytizing is what gives Christianity a bad name and puts non-believers off. Please keep your faith and politics to yourself and respect others rights not to be assaulted with your personal feelings on these matters. This country will better place.
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